New Venice Chip

[playafly187]

New toy just arrived, this should be fun :)

http://www.ocia.net/playafly187/venice.jpg

[silenze]

Mmmm Venice.. you better be able to match my clock speed with THIS chip... :wink:

[Bio-Hazard]

This is a bit shy of your clock, but I bet it gets better over all performance.............. :lol:
I'm still messing with it though, still haven't found the sweet spot.............. :twisted:

http://img73.echo.cx/img73/7883/cpuzvenice3003cg.jpg

http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=17623

[playafly187]

right about what I can get out of mine, 2.7 ghz, 9 x 300. im sure the chip could do more if i could raise the multi. i think 300 is the max my board wants to go.

[wedant01]

by look ay your pic, did you get a 3000?

[ZeroLogic]

its a 3000

[silenze]

Just wait till I get my San Diego.. I'll show you guys how 939 is supposed to be done. :wink:

[wedant01]

Just wait till I get my San Diego.. I'll show you guys how 939 is supposed to be done. :wink:

lol, why dont you wait a bit (or you might be able to get them in their already) and get a 4400

thats a point, drifting off a bit. when i get my new computer, the bois might not be up to date for the 64 x2. assuming they dont work using one core without the update - omg, what can i do!! i dont think my local cafe has any 939 pins lol (its a new cafe, started less than a year ago, so they were on a budget) but then the owners will proberbly have one. if not im bugerd!!

[silenze]

Considering 2 things; cheaping out and getting the 3200+ Venice now, then a dual core in a couple/few months, or just buying a 3700+ San Diego next week..

[wedant01]

Considering 2 things; cheaping out and getting the 3200+ Venice now, then a dual core in a couple/few months, or just buying a 3700+ San Diego next week..

yeah, do the 1st one.

what happens if you plug in a x2 to a 939 mobo that hasnt has the bios update, will it just do fa? or will it boot but using only 1 of the cores

[silenze]

Hit or miss... people are reporting bios versions for boards they work with all over the net, shouldn't be hard to find out. :wink:

[silenze]

Got my 3200+ Venice up to 2.7Ghz on 1.7v... only running the ram at 2:3 and I'm up to 82,344 in Aquamark3 now heheh..

[wedant01]

wehay!! what was your aqua3 score before?

[silenze]

78,026...

[wedant01]

wow, hell of an improvement lol, i got 3000 on that lol. you havnt updated your sig yet :wink: but i suppose your busy playin with your new toy :roll: lol

[silenze]

wow, hell of an improvement lol, i got 3000 on that lol. you havnt updated your sig yet :wink: but i suppose your busy playin with your new toy :roll: lol

Decent improvement yes, but once I can run the ram at something more than 200Mhz, it will be even faster...

[playafly187]

not bad at all, 2.7 is where i hit the wall too but i think my problem is the mobo. im pretty confident i could get a little higher with more headroom on the mobo.

[silenze]

not bad at all, 2.7 is where i hit the wall too but i think my problem is the mobo. im pretty confident i could get a little higher with more headroom on the mobo.

Which bios are you using, 1.5 ? I'm using the 1.8 now, with the fixed temp readings... only 25° C during windows use and around 40-42° C under load... even checked the heatsink a few times, the 92mm fan is at minimal rpm on the controller and the base nor the heatpipes of the sink even feel warm to the touch... running 290x9@1.62v venices rock 8)

[wedant01]

omg 40-42 on load. i get 19-20 on full load (lagging on cs:s)!!! lmao. he he.

[silenze]

omg 40-42 on load. i get 19-20 on full load (lagging on cs:s)!!! lmao. he he.

o_O

19-20 ° in what on what cooling with what... heh

[wedant01]

icy-box zoro. 4x80mm fans and 1x40mm. stock hsf. btw i have my 1.6P4 :wink: and somtimes my max hdd is hoter than my cpu lol 20-23

[silenze]

Ahh.. see.. I'm just using the XP90 Copper with a 92mm fan spinning as low as the fan controller will let it... 8)

[wedant01]

:mrgreen:

[silenze]

Well with the Neo2's.. the vcore is like 1.38v at "Startup".. I've only taken it up to 1.42v at 2.4Ghz and it's stable..

http://www.fawkit.org/temps.jpg

What the hell is water cooling, anyway?
(That's after OCCT then Prime95 for 2 hours..)

[wedant01]

your pic isnt working. theres just one thing im not sure about when it comes to ocing. when... and how much Voltage to add. as thats what makes you cpu turn liquid lol (yesss, before then it would be off) :mrgreen: :?:

[silenze]

your pic isnt working. theres just one thing im not sure about when it comes to ocing. when... and how much Voltage to add. as thats what makes you cpu turn liquid lol (yesss, before then it would be off) :mrgreen: :?:

k different hosting..

http://www.callatg.com/~valley1/temps.jpg

Up the FSB... check stability.. if it crashes, add some volts! ... repeat until you reach a stable clock speed on the max safe voltage for your chip..

[FunkZ]

Nice overclock on basically stock voltage, and very nice temps too, especially for low speed on the fan! You must be cranking the A/C to get those case temps!

What is the max safe voltage for these 90nm chips? I have heard ~1.65 on air, slightly higher for other cooling. Just wondering if a max vCore of 1.7 on a motherboard would be any kind of hindrance.

Just for comparison I think my mobile chip had a stock vCore of 1.45 but it folds 24/7 at 1.95 for over a year now.

[wedant01]

your pic still isnt working lol. how much of an increasment per thingy... would you recomend

[silenze]

It's been 60/70's here lately (on the warm side for Oregon..) so I've had my windows open.. house is nice and aired out, gets a little cool at night.. the XP-90C nor the northbridge heatsink even get warm to the touch..

There is a lot of debate over the voltages.. I would run 1.7v (I get a new chip like every 6 months or less, so what the hey..), but the max "safe" for air would probably be 1.65v, 1.7v with water or better..

That's +400Mhz :lol:



wedant01: +.05 (if default is 1.5v, go 1.55v, then 1.6v, etc..)

Your DNS servers need to get with the program.. try this...

http://66.224.224.155/temps.jpg

[FunkZ]

It's been consistant mid-nineties here for 2 weeks. Temps in the house are 76° F or so. Any lower sends the electric bill through the roof!

With a 24° C ambient I think 26° C case temp is pretty good. With all the voltage I'm pushing through my chip though I'm hitting mid-40's on the cpu. (at 100% load)

[silenze]

:P

I love Oregon weather.

Those are some good temps you have considering the indoor & outdoor temperatures.. [smilie=thumbsup.gif]

[silenze]

Well.. I've hit my max OCCT-stable overclock on this Venice.. stepping up to 2.59+ at any higher voltage is unstable.. +580Mhz.. not the most impressive.. still faster than the 754 :P

2.4Ghz on 1.4v stable..
2.5Ghz on 1.5v stable..
2.55Ghz on 1.6v stable..
2.58Ghz on 1.6v stable..

http://www.callatg.com/~valley1/maxocctstable.jpg

[ZeroLogic]

i was reading some reviews and the highest i seen was 2.9ghz on air too

[playafly187]

i thought you could hit 2.7 with it? now its 2.58?

[silenze]

i thought you could hit 2.7 with it? now its 2.58?

........... That would be because I can........ it's just not OCCT stable, and even with 1.7v, it'll randomly lock up, I'm not going to run more than that 24/7 so what's the point...

I just got around to screwing with it heavily last night............

[wedant01]

reading this. is it worth getting ddr600. i could get ddr500 and be arround you max...??? :|

[FunkZ]

He's at 258x10. With DDR600 and a good motherboard you should be able to do 300x8 at least, probably 300x9 at 1:1.

[silenze]

Yeah.. 5:6 divider.. planning on a new CPU & OCZ DDR Booster on the 1st...

See people having more luck hitting 300 1:1 on NF4's than NF3's...

Oh yeah.. went to bios 1.36B again, to find raising my voltage to 1.65v (ranges 1.65-1.7) gets me another 20Mhz at least! This chip is the most fidgety one I've ever had....

http://www.callatg.com/~valley1/2.6-1.66-occt-pass.jpg

[Bio-Hazard]

This is the best I've gotten out of my little 3000 so far. I'll try more again later when I'm bored with this OC.

http://img93.echo.cx/img93/4852/3105ac.jpg

http://img278.echo.cx/img278/465/dsc018466ix.jpg

[silenze]

A picture is worth 1,000 words......

Let the machine sit for a few days not really doing anything... finally tried some settings again.. wouldn't stabilize where it would last week... tried bios 1.8 again.. same thing.. so finally I got fed up and clocked it to default, started prime95, went to work... to come home and find this.......

http://www.callatg.com/~valley1/p95.jpg

Can you say, RMA?

[FunkZ]

Can you say, RMA?

That is not good at stock speed. You definitely believe it to be the processor?

I have not had the chance to overclock mine yet. I'm leaving for vacation for a week tomorrow and will need to buy a PCIe video card when I get back before I can even start to overclock. :x

Completely off topic, but just wanted to comment how much the 3000+ weighed compared to a feather-light AXP. It was heavy! What do they make those IHS out of, lead?

[silenze]

Yeah the board is brand new, this ram has had a lot of use without issue..

Hah.. yeah, Athlon 64's feel very heavy compared to others :lol: I'm pretty sure it's just aluminum..

[Bio-Hazard]

A picture is worth 1,000 words......

Let the machine sit for a few days not really doing anything... finally tried some settings again.. wouldn't stabilize where it would last week... tried bios 1.8 again.. same thing.. so finally I got fed up and clocked it to default, started prime95, went to work... to come home and find this.......

Can you say, RMA?

Same thing happened with my 3000 Venice when I first got it and overclocked it to far. It wouldn't run 100% stable anywhere. What I did was remove it from the system and made like I was building a new computer and when I restarted it, all was better, it even seems to OC a bit better. I run it at 250 HTT 24/7 now days and can hit 315 when going for max.

Just something you might want to try.

[silenze]

Yeah ok but does your's fail prime95 in 7 hours at default spec, though? It should run indefinitely... I mean.. some people are hitting 2.7-2.8Ghz stably on the same voltage mine fails prime95 in 7 hours with..

I've had prime95 running again at stock spec with 1.41-1.44v, been going almost 7 hours now... hmm

[silenze]

Ok... oddities... removed the cpu for a while, redid my AS5 cause I was bored... reinstalled, passed OCCT at 2.58@1.6v again...

[playafly187]

http://www.ocia.net/playafly187/occt.jpg

OCCT stable at 2.7 ghz (ignore the temps/voltage readings, didnt set em up properly)

[Bio-Hazard]

See, what did I tell ya............ :wink: For some reason, I think there are still a few little things AMD needs to work out with the E3 Cores. I was reading some stuff on a German site that was talking about some of the E3 features being slightly unstable at times and then other time the CPU can run max OC stable as a rock for weeks on end.

Right now, mine has be playing very nice and being a good boy................ 8)

[Bio-Hazard]

Here's a link to the translated article about the E3 errors and about a new E6 stepping coming out shortly.

http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/trurl_pagecontent?lp=de_en&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.planet3dnow.de%2Fcgi-bin%2Fnewspub%2Fviewnews.cgi%3Fcategory%3D1%26id%3 D1119093721

[wedant01]

i now got temps out side case at 28*C (nowhere near case) and cpu 23*C, hdd at 24*C lol :lol:

[FunkZ]

Here's what I got so far, still on stock voltage. I'm still climbing, just snapped this screen shot while I had it up.

Had to knock the memory down twice, it's still topping out at ~450mhz at 2-2-2-5-1T with 2.9v which is the max of this board.
I'll need a booster or different memory to get it faster I guess.
Ignore the voltages, something isn't reporting right with MBM5 I think.

http://mywebpages.comcast.net/funkz/overclock1.jpg

[FunkZ]

Okay, had to bump up the core voltage a tad to hit 2.7

I had to search to find that OCCT you guys are using, looks like it's from some French page or something. Anyway, I'm installing that now.

http://mywebpages.comcast.net/funkz/overclock2.jpg

[FunkZ]

30 minutes to run that OCCT, that will have to wait for tomorrow night.

Right now I am still going. Up to 1.6v now though, I think she's about done.

http://mywebpages.comcast.net/funkz/overclock3.jpg

[FunkZ]

Well it posted at 3ghz but that's about it, haha. I'll have to try for a suicide shot and see what I can get.

Anyway, that 2.91 wasn't entirely stable it seems. I bumped it down a bit and got this OCCT stable.

I'm a bit perturbed, it seems my BIOS does not have adjustments for the CPU multiplier. I was going to knock it down to 8 and raise the HTT so I can get more bandwidth out of my memory.

http://mywebpages.comcast.net/funkz/overclock4.jpg

[FunkZ]

And about the highest OC I can get to boot Windows. I tried 334HTT several times, would have been nice to see that 3000 Mhz even if it was just a suicide shot, but no cigar. After having to reenter all the BIOS settings several times from failed POSTS I gave up and this is what I got. I think I will probably knock this down to 2.8 for daily use so I can lower the voltage and keep the fan noise down. :lol: A 1ghz overclock is nothing to sneeze at, this 3000+ surpases everything I'd done prior even with the low voltage 1700+ and 2400+ Mobile AXP chips, so I can say I'm definitely satisified. Just have to wait for the next core I guess to punch through that 3ghz barrier.

http://mywebpages.comcast.net/funkz/overclock5.jpg

[ZeroLogic]

what kind of cooling?

xp-90?

[silenze]

I've stopped trusting that with my goofy chip, I can run a 32M Super Pi @ 2655Mhz (295x9) on 1.6v, so I'm ok with that.

Oddity; 1M Super Pi is 32 seconds @ 295x9.. I moved to 297x9 and it was 34 seconds! :lol:

[FunkZ]

what kind of cooling? xp-90?

Yes, XP-90 with a Thermaltake 92mm Smart LED Fan.

Silenze I thought you were looking to RMA your chip?

[silenze]

So I swapped with a friend that didn't care...

2.7Ghz @ 1.6v 32M Super Pi stable. 8)

[Ardant]

Allright i have a few question here... Going to be buying a new cpu motherboard and graphics card becuase my 9800, and 2600 just do not want to run eq2 the way it is ment to be played. This is what i am planning on buying.
Motherboard MSI K8N Neo4 Platinum (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813130484)
Processor I don't think you guys need a link.... 3200+ vernice core...
Graphics card <A HREF="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814122201>Geforce 6600gt</a>

1: Would you recomend that motherboard or should i get something esle.
2: the 3000 or the 3200 all i want to do is overclock it to 2.5ghz
3: Do i need to get ddr500 to do that. Right now i have 2x256 1x512 bolth ddr 400.

Thanks a ton guys
-Ardant

[ZeroLogic]

3000 can hit 2.5 easy
the board looks okay
and the gpu is good
mabey a dfi ultra board oc good but its picky with ram

[Ardant]

First off sorry for the bad links i thoguht i did it right i guess not... What memory do you guys suggest.. I was gonna wait a little bit and see if i could get more money for some ddr 500 form kingston... The problem is i do not want to run the processor super hot. Right now my processor is under maz load running eq2. So i mean woud it be pushing it to run it at that speed with a 3000? Also what heatsink fan you guys suggest. I was thinking about a the zalmon heatsink fan. Let me know what you think

[ZeroLogic]

i dont think you need ddr 500 memory ddr400 is fine
i would reccomend the xp 90 heatsink

[FunkZ]

Either 3000+ or 3200+ should hit 2.5 Ghz easily. The nice thing that the 3200+ gets you is a 10x multi which can help make it easier to run 1:1 memory.

I think if you use 3 sticks in an NF4 board you're gonna have to run 2T.

2500/11 = 227 which shouldn't be all that hard to get the right 3200 or 3500 memory to do with low timings. But if you go with the 3200+ and try for 250x10 then some PC4000 might be just the ticket.

[Ardant]

Ok I know quite a bit about PCs and such but this is the first system i am building for it to be overclocked. So what do you guys mean when you say 1:1? I was thinking about getting the Zalmon heatsink the radial one with 120mm fan that is all copper. Sorry i can't think of the name right now. I think i am going to get the 3000 to save the 50 bucks that i can put into something else.
-Ardant

[FunkZ]

Thermalright XP-90 and the fan of your choice.

1:1 refers to the memory ratio. Means that whatever you run your HTT ("FSB") at you are running your memory at the same speed.

Take my system for example. I'm running 320x9 but to run 1:1 that would require like DDR633 PC5000 which doesn't even exist yet I think. So I have to use the 9/14 memory divider which knocks my memory speed down to 205 or DDR410. The other option I have is the 9/11 divider which puts the memory at 261 which requires DDR533 or better.

[Ardant]

So how to do go about figuring out the divider?
-Ardant

[ZeroLogic]

anyone?

[jester]

So how to do go about figuring out the divider?
-Ardant


The memory divider setting will be in your bios

[Ardant]

Right now i have a silent tower heatsink fan combo i like it a ton... On the web site it says it can cool up to a 3400.... Would this work for the 3000 i am getting or should i buy a new heat sink fan? also what mother board. The DFI LANPARTY UT nF4 Ultra-D ATX AMD Motherboard or CHAINTECH VNF4/Ultra Socket 939 NVIDIA nForce4 Ultra ATX AMD Motherboard. What will allow me to over clock the easiest and what is just a better overall board from what yall have heard.

-Ardant

[FunkZ]

Lol, well the DFI and the Chaintech are different animals. If you want to spend the money I'd say get the DFI, I don't think you'll be disappointed. But for the price the Chaintech is very good too.

[Ardant]

Funkz I get what your saying about them being different but it is 45 bucks that could go towards a xp90. I mean is having hte dfi really worth it.. I guess ill just splurge... I just got a deal for 512 of ddr 400 ultra cas latency ram for 34 bucks new after rebate so its gonna hit my pocket hard getting all this chit.. I wish i could find someone to buy my 9800pro dfi ultra and 2600 from me : )

[ZeroLogic]

go with the Chaintech the DFI Ultra-D isnt for beginners just check out the reviews on newegg
http://secure.newegg.com/NewVersion/FeedBack/CustRatingReview.asp?Item=N82E16813136152

you can get an XP-90 heatsink for 25 $ it can be found here
http://www.svc.com/xp-90-21.html

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[Ardant]

went with the dfi it arived today. Lots of chit to screw with . This is like my 20th system i have built but first to over clock so i an't a new zero. I got the coper xp-90 with silent cat fan. Tm the ram comes in so ill let you know how big of a overclock i get then.

[Ardant]

MBM5 does not support my mobo. The dfi Lanparty UT nf4 d. Anyone know what i can use to get the temperature. Right now i got it over clocked to about 2.4 with no problems.
-Ardant

[silenze]

Install the ITE Smart Guardian that is on the CD in your motherboard's box 8) (Or should be, it's the utility DFI uses.)

[Ardant]

using everest to monitor it. I am getting about 29c just with bit torrent open. And then while running aim ventrillo. and BurnIntest i was getting 33c and my cpu fan wasn't up all the way. I need to figure out how to change that in bios. But right now i am at 9x275. which is ok i want to get 2.5ghz so need to bump it up a little more but i am still on stock voltage. I think ill be able to pull off 9x280 with stock. Also the artic silver needs to set in on the processor so i should be getting lower temps soon.
-Ardant.

[silenze]

Sounds like things are going good..

I only hit 36° C under load running 1.42V for 2.4Ghz...

[Ardant]

ya things are going pretty good. I only wanna oc to 2.5 so i dont' have much more to do. But i want to stop here for a while since the temps are getting up there. I have to flash my bios tonight with some updates. I also wanna give teh silver 5 time to settle in there and form bonds. On my mobo there is like 15 different things that have volts on them so i need to figure out wich one is hte cpu voltage. cause i think i shoud up it to about 1.4v instead of 1.38. Anyway this is a great processor. i love this motherboard it is so nice.