Can I over clock this

[Ian Yates]

Hi, I built this system earlier this year and am extremely happy with it's speed and reliabiltiy. I purchased the CPU as a 2.8GHz processor, however, my system states that it is only running at 1.605Ghz.


System Info (I used Fresh Diagnose to get this info)

CPU: Mobile Intel Pentium 4 CPU 2.80GHz

Current system speed ia 1.6Ghz

Motherboard: SIS model MS6547

BIOS version: 07.00T date:04/02/01

Memory: 1 GB DIMM/SDRAM current speed unknown, however I beleive I set it 333MHz messing around in the bios.

Dunno what else you need to know.

I would like to find out if and how to utilize the full power of the CPU. Any info would be greatly appreciated

[wedant01]

you could actually have one of intel mobole cpu's. thier slower and at that speed. although i dont think youd make that mistake lol. ermm but are you sure its a 2.8 (yes i know you can get 2.8 in laptops before you say)
try updating the bios of your mobo. ermm other than that i have know idea, wait untill somone else posts.

overclocking that (once you get that problem soughted) isnt really an option, but then thats my opintion. ermm and your ram at 333 isnt good for over clocking. but im not really a laptop/notebook person so...

[FunkZ]

In the AMD world, when you put a mobile chip in a desktop motherboard you have to manually specify the multiplier and FSB (or HTT) speed to use because the BIOS cannot recognize the CPU. I would assume that Intel is the same. It probably defaults to the slowest speed setting. My 2400+ M comes up as 8x100 I believe.

[wedant01]

wow, mobile cpus sound like fun toys!! :roll:
what socket amd mobiles can you get
64?? cache??

[FunkZ]

With Athlon XP chips, everything made after 11/03 I believe was multiplier-locked and not unlockable like the older Thunderbird and Palomino cores. Mobile chips need to be multiplier-unlocked because of the speed throttling feature to conserve battery power in a laptop. And because of their lower voltage requirements you have a lot more headroom with how much voltage you can give these things and still keep them cool which is why they're such good overclockers.

With A64 I don't believe there is much (if any) advantage of using a mobile chip, other than a very few run at 1.4v default rather than 1.5v. They are all socket 754 Clawhammer cores AFAIK.

[wedant01]

With A64 I don't believe there is much (if any) advantage of using a mobile chip, other than a very few run at 1.4v default rather than 1.5v. They are all socket 754 Clawhammer cores AFAIK.

owww :cry: i was having a "ooo lets get one of them because its the same as a fx55 but CHEAPER" moments LMAO but could you do that with the server chips 1**?? and do they work on 939 socket mobos, thier pins are the same i think?

[FunkZ]

Sockets are named for their number of pins, so no, a socket 754 chip is not going to work in a socket 939 motherboard. They're physically different.

By server chip do you mean the Opteron processors? No those are sledgehammer cores, and those use socket 940.

[wedant01]

ii Opteron, i just read it as opdfguhiahagenuiv lol. ermm yeah, i was woundering about them cos i though i read it somewhere, or atleast were they said "the pins are the same" lol. he he, i just notice, iv reached 100+ posts, yey!!

[FunkZ]

BTW Ian, according to Intel the fastest Pentium 4 M was 2.6 so could you please clarify what you are running?

http://www.intel.com/products/processor/pentium4-m/index.htm

Asus has an adapter board that lets you run a Pentium M (Dothan core) in a socket 478 motherboard. Pentium M is much different than Pentium 4 M. Cool stuff! (for Intel anyway) :mrgreen:

http://www.tomshardware.com/cpu/20050525/index.html

[silenze]

Might be talking about half way through a transition... at first athlon 64's were around on socket 754, FX and opteron chips on 940, opterons are still 940, but FX's and athlon 64's are now both on 939.. 754 is getting cheapo semprons and no more new athlon 64 models... getting phased-out to a low cost solution platform...

[wedant01]

silenze, how does that raid setup benifit you, asin loading times for maps... and os. and do you think its worth getting 2 sataII hdds over two sata hdd or maybe even getting a raptor

[silenze]

Yes, it's great in every way.. but raptors are NOT worth the money..

The only drawback is if one drive fails, your whole volume is toast, so you have to keep a good backup like me. 8)

[wedant01]

ok, if i have the money ill buy two 80 or 120 gig hdds and put them in raid.
mind you £50 for 80gb - sataII and £70 for raptor - sata. i think ill go with the two sataII hdds in raid 0 (i think thats the one)

[Ian Yates]

Yup...you're right. It's a mobile chip, got it on ebay...ad didnt say that :oops:

It definately say 2.8 on chip, and Fresh diag says 2.8, but running at 1.6, win xp dev.man. says 1.6 and 2.8

[wedant01]

yes, back to the thread, i have no idea. sorry

[wedant01]

ow yeah but you can try updating the bios

[silenze]

Yup...you're right. It's a mobile chip, got it on ebay...ad didnt say that :oops:

It definately say 2.8 on chip, and Fresh diag says 2.8, but running at 1.6, win xp dev.man. says 1.6 and 2.8

In your bios set the CPU mutliplier to 14x to get your full 2,800Mhz..

To overclock just try increasing that or the frontside bus some more..

[wedant01]

ii, never though of that, and even after reading what thingy posted :oops: but hey, im doing cource work, and iv finished the draft lol. but at least i dont have to type it uup in neat he he night night, its 10 to 12 and iv got school tomorrow lol

[FunkZ]

Silenze is right, looks like it's running 200x8 instead of 200x14. Bump that multi up!

Strange that Intel doesn't have that cpu on its spec sheet?

http://processorfinder.intel.com/scripts/list.asp?ProcFam=826

[silenze]

weird that only lists up to 2.6Ghz.. the old Dell XPS had a 3.4Ghz mobile P4 in it..

[silenze]

wedant01: The top is my 2 7200rpm 8mb western digital 80gb sata drives.. the third line is 2 36gb raptors ;)

http://www.fawkit.org/tmp/images/sandra/hdd.jpg

[wedant01]

hmmm, ok raptor are no no. how come the 2x120gb arnt the same as your 2x80gb hdd's??

[silenze]

I don't know, my score went up to 95mb/sec with the DFI board though, that's an old screenshot..

[wedant01]

hmm but still. how does one ide or sata hdd compare to your two?

[silenze]

uhm... slower... heh.. my old IDE drive did only 44mb/sec.. one of these drives alone did 55mb/sec.. both do 95mb/sec.. if you were to look at a graph like this:

http://www.fawkit.org/hdtune.jpg

My IDE drive would hit something like 20-25mb/sec for the low and the single SATA something like 35-40mb/sec.. all hit about the same for the burst transfer (the IDE the slowest obviously) but my average is a lot higher with the raid setup..

[FunkZ]

Dollar per gigabyte you're right they are not the best considering the small increase in performance over a 7200rpm SATA drive.

But if you don't need a lot of space and don't mind spending more to get the fastest drive (outside of SCSI) available, Raptors are great.

Going from a 7200rpm SATA to a Raptor was a noticible speed improvement, much like going from a 5400rpm 2mb cache IDE to a 7200rpm 8mb cache IDE.

The cost of regular 7200rpm SATA drives has continued to fall whereas the Raptors have stayed about the same cost over the last year or two. Like silenze says, for the same cost as a single 36gb Raptor you can just about get 2 x 80gb 7200rpm SATA drives, run them in RAID0 and get better performance. Or you could get 2 Raptor drives. :mrgreen: I've just now reached ~80% on my 36gb one so I ordered a 2nd one. The 74gb one is in my server and is only around 50% full.

[silenze]

Actually thinking about getting 2 more and doing 4xRAID0 some time :wink:

Was going to get raptors.. but started looking into it..

2x74gb raptors were ~$360..
2x80gb 7200's were ~$160..

Not even worth it lol..

[wedant01]

lol. have two hdds in raid0 is nearly twice as fast. so yeah, ill be gettin two sata 120s or 80s lol. just a queastion bu can you have 3x aswell as 4x? so raid is like one of the cheapest/value performance upgrade.

[silenze]

Yep you can do Raid0 with 2, 3, or 4

[wedant01]

hmm, but you cant do it with 5,6,7 or 8 if you have them (nforce4 with 8 sata (4 sataII)

[jester]

yea raptors are awsome but the price suxs & usually only the ones who want the very most out of the machines buy them :twisted:

[silenze]

yea raptors are awsome but the price suxs & usually only the ones who want the very most out of the machines buy them :twisted:

haha............

[silenze]

I want the most out of everything I buy but I would never consider paying a ridiculous amount more for 5-10mb/sec more bandwidth.. hehe...

Plus when I can get 2x the storage and 2x the speed from 2 standard drives for half the price... yeah, I'm gonna do that. :wink:

[wedant01]

weay!! well i decided to get 2 sataII 80 or 120gb hdds if i have the money. any know of any sataII hdds being reviewed?? lol