Import vs. Domestic

[playafly187]

http://www.ocia.net/playafly187/impvsdomest.jpg

[techniq]

lol... nice

[siq]

nothing will ever replace real american muscle

[KryoNexus]

nothing will ever replace real american muscle

maybe, but if gas prices keep going up, you'll see less and less V8's on the street.

also, Isaac Hutchinson had a Civic hatchback that would flat out smoke a brand new corvette. he was doin 120mph in 3rd gear. best of all.....he only had 20k into it, including all the styling products (granted, his wasn't all decked out with stickers and big wings)

[siq]

might have. but someone who can afford a vet isn't going to worry about gas prices. and plus if they put as much money into it after purchasing the car like isaac did, i don't think there would any chance. i saw him run his acura when it was supposed to be fast at a drag strip, and needless to say i was not very impressed at all.

[silenze]

I love the sound of v8's with dual exhaust, and I love the sound of a big BOV....

If only imports would drop the FWD nonsense...


"also, Isaac Hutchinson had a Civic hatchback that would flat out smoke a brand new corvette. he was doin 120mph in 3rd gear. best of all.....he only had 20k into it, including all the styling products (granted, his wasn't all decked out with stickers and big wings)"

Friend here has an '88 4-door civic lx sleeper, 11.3's (turbo/intercooled).. friend Tim (co-worker) has '94 4-door civic NA (prelude H22A w/performance parts) runnin 13.2's... hehe

[Beemer]

silenze Posted: Mon Apr 19, 2004 11:31 am Post subject:

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I love the sound of v8's with dual exhaust


Yeah, I love the sound of old mustangs and cameros with dual exhaust. They sound fast and strong, not like someone wound up the rubberband in some ricer. :lol:

[silenze]

Have you heard a boosted 4 cylinder with a big down pipe and free flowing 3" exhaust with no catalytic converter? You'd be surprised how nice they can sound :D

[Beemer]

Sorry, but the old muscle cars have my favorite sound. I have heard a lot of cars and a lot of exhausts, just a matter of personal preference I guess.

[silenze]

In no way will it ever replace, but it sounds good as well. ;)

[playafly187]

Have you heard a boosted 4 cylinder with a big down pipe and free flowing 3" exhaust with no catalytic converter? You'd be surprised how nice they can sound :D

eh, i have to disagree. the majority of 4 cyl's ive heard sound like complete ass. loud and obnoxious, and have no-go. the nice turbo ones ive heard arent really loud. all you hear is the turbo......heh

[silenze]

http://www.hksusa.com/info/media.asp?id=1764

[KryoNexus]

Have you heard a boosted 4 cylinder with a big down pipe and free flowing 3" exhaust with no catalytic converter? You'd be surprised how nice they can sound :D

eh, i have to disagree. the majority of 4 cyl's ive heard sound like complete ass. loud and obnoxious, and have no-go. the nice turbo ones ive heard arent really loud. all you hear is the turbo......heh

yeh, the sound of forced air induction is the best sound every imo. don't get me wrong, i like a deep rumble, but not near as much as the "psssst" sound from forced air

[XPTB]

that's why its nice to hear an '03 cobra, you get the deep grumble of the exhaust along with the whine from the supercharger hehe.

as far as the mpg goes, my car is a V8 and it gets 22/25 mpg. i know that the 4 bangers get around 30 but when they run 13s it might not be as high. when it all comes down to it though, i HATE FWD. just drives goofy in my opinion

[silenze]

Yeah FWD sucks... and the cobra's do sound awesome. ;)

so do the lightnings hehe

[XPTB]

lightning = the only truck i'd own.


well, ok so i would also take that new dodge ram with the viper motor, even if it isn't near as fast. :D

[Beemer]

I love SVT Cobras and Lightnings, although that new Dodge SRT looked pretty mean too.

[jurtje]

A nice anecdote for you americans.

Jeep builds its Cherokees for the European market with different engines than for the American markets.

For only one reason:
Europeans drive faster.

Power is not speed.....

[silenze]

Shoosh... everything gets detuned before it comes to the US unless it costs over like $100k, which is BULL****, but oh well... hehe

[playafly187]

lightning = the only truck i'd own.


well, ok so i would also take that new dodge ram with the viper motor, even if it isn't near as fast. :D

actually the new RAM beats the lightning 0-60.. not sure about 1/4 mile tho

[silenze]

Ford SVT Lightning: $33,310.00 - supercharged, bigger pulley, free flowing exhaust, mid 12's..

Dodge SRT-10: $45,795.00 - 12.9 stock

I think the lightning is a better buy :P

[Beemer]

Amen, and it flat looks faster :wink:

[XPTB]

i dunno, that ram is just mean looking! but i've always liked the look of the new rams. plus the ram comes with a 500 watt stereo system hehe.

[Beemer]

SRT = mean
lightning = sleak and fast, very agile

500 watts - thats not enought to make my hears hurt!

[playafly187]

it would be a tough decision indeed, but i think i would have to go with the RAM... for the simple fact that it has the Viper V10 beast.... :shock:

[Beemer]

Ford SVT Lightning: $33,310.00 - supercharged, bigger pulley, free flowing exhaust, mid 12's..

Dodge SRT-10: $45,795.00 - 12.9 stock

I think the lightning is a better buy :P

Who needs the viper engine when you can do that ^ and still have some extra dough in your back pocket?

[B16SOLNA]

Have you heard a boosted 4 cylinder with a big down pipe and free flowing 3" exhaust with no catalytic converter? You'd be surprised how nice they can sound :D

eh, i have to disagree. the majority of 4 cyl's ive heard sound like complete ass. loud and obnoxious, and have no-go. the nice turbo ones ive heard arent really loud. all you hear is the turbo......heh

I for one can speak from experience from riding and driving a turbo car and it sounds NOTHING like a typical four cylinder. Whether or not you can hear the turbo depends completely on the turbo setup; not ever turbo car has a loud turbo, and not ever non turbo car sounds like a weed whacker. Every car is very different and can in no way be compared to another in this sort of fashion.
And as for the Ram versus Lightning battle, I would choose the Ram strictly because if I am going to buy this car, I will definitely not leave it stock, and neither will 9 out of every 10 buyers of these trucks. Hennessey motorsports anyone? As for the stock ratings, Dodge has followed suit with the Ram in underrating the bejeesus out of both the ram srt10 as well as the viper. They are both rated at 500 hp. Both of these vehicles were put on dynos when they were BONE stock and laid down 575 to the wheels, which leads me to believe that it has north of 600hp at the crank. I would not doubt for a second that those quarter mile times are a bit off, since the ram has only been out for a short while, and the ford isnt out at all. Its a drivers race to say the least.

[silenze]

Yeah... too bad v10's sound like ass hehe -- 9 out of 10? Working at a luxury dealership I've learned 9/10 people are too stupid to know what they're paying $100k for :P

[Beemer]

Yeah... too bad v10's sound like ass hehe -- 9 out of 10? Working at a luxury dealership I've learned 9/10 people are too stupid to know what they're paying $100k for :P

:lol:

[B16SOLNA]

luxury dealership or not, stupid rich people or not..........ford is the one that came out with that statistic. tell them they are wrong when it comes to buyers of performance cars

[silenze]

luxury dealership or not, stupid rich people or not..........ford is the one that came out with that statistic. tell them they are wrong when it comes to buyers of performance cars

relax a little and I might ;)

[B16SOLNA]

im cool, i just like to set the record straight

[silenze]

I never said you were wrong :D, just commenting on my experiences with people spending large sums of money on automobiles. (benz/lincoln/acura)

[B16SOLNA]

in your case, i believe you might be right, so far as companies like benz and bmw, etc are concerned. but i was referring to particular cars that have heavy aftermarket support, and that more often than not, people take advantage of this support. such cars consist of everything from a whored out crx to the svt vehicles and much more. as long as companies like hennessey motorsports and mugen are in business, a lot of performance cars will be bought on this basis

[silenze]

Don't forget about Bavarian (bmw) and Brabus (benz) hehe

[B16SOLNA]

aftermarket support is definitely out there for those cars, but they in no way compare to the support for muscle cars and damn near anything japanese

[Beemer]

Hrmmm, I d still like to have the Lightning. :D

[silenze]

aftermarket support is definitely out there for those cars, but they in no way compare to the support for muscle cars and damn near anything japanese

Obviously, heh.

[B16SOLNA]

good, then we agree

[XPTB]

here's a stupid story:

I was about to pass out a work the other day from lack of sleep. The lady I was working with asked if I wanted a V8. I told her she didn't need to buy me a new engine. She then looked at me funny and walked over to the convienent store next door and bought her a V8 Splash...... that's when i put my head on the counter lol

[silenze]

hahah :P

[B16SOLNA]

you werent running on all eight cylinders that day were you? :lol:

[Beemer]

Sounds like you mighta had a couple loose spark plug wires.

[B16SOLNA]

or maybe he had a screw or two loose....... :lol:

[KryoNexus]

here's a stupid story:

I was about to pass out a work the other day from lack of sleep. The lady I was working with asked if I wanted a V8. I told her she didn't need to buy me a new engine. She then looked at me funny and walked over to the convienent store next door and bought her a V8 Splash...... that's when i put my head on the counter lol

she likely doesn't know what the difference is between a 4 banger and a V8 anyway

[B16SOLNA]

four banger? isnt that some kinda porn thing?

[KryoNexus]

four banger? isnt that some kinda porn thing?

:assumes you are joking ;-):

[B16SOLNA]

captain obvious.....to the rescue! :lol:

[silenze]

she prolly doesn't know the difference between a v6 and v8... heh

[B16SOLNA]

you would be surprised at the number of people who dont even know what an air filter is, much less the difference between a v6 and v8 :shock:

[silenze]

haha would not :D

[Beemer]

you would be surprised at the number of people who dont even know what an air filter is, much less the difference between a v6 and v8 :shock:

What an air filter? j/k

[silenze]

Actual response from a customer when the sales person mentioned the cabin air filter: 'Oh we have a house'

[B16SOLNA]

i am now stoopider for having read that...............i was at an express oil change shop and the lady in the bay next to me was having her honda passport's oil changed, and as usual, in order to sell more goods, the guys working there told her that her air filter was dirty and asked her if she would like to get a new one while she was there.......there was no dumbass comment, just a look of total confusion......she likely didnt have the brains to even come up with a stupid comment or question, she looked to be that damn stupid......the look on her face was priceless

[silenze]

lol

speaking of express oil change shops... we've had a few Integra's come back to our shop after a visit to Oil Can Henry's, where they put no oil back in the engine.. lol

[Beemer]

Oil change $15
Oil Drain $10

hrm, think I'll opt for the cheaper one :wink:

[B16SOLNA]

holy lord......how can you not put oil back in the motor!.........its murder on that motor........although i have seen a single cam honda motor with a hole in the oil pan about the size of a half dollar run for thousands of miles, its generally not a good idea.

[silenze]

I tell ya how, be a 16 yr old punk kid who doesn't put any effort into their job :P

[B16SOLNA]

what is this world coming to, i tell ya, these young whippersnappers today just dont care........ :roll: .........time to break out the ol steel toed boots and teach these bastards a lesson or two i tell ya

[Beemer]

Yeah, if they *forgot* to put oil back in my car, I might foget to leave the safety on.

::bang bang:: I'm rick james biatch

[silenze]

Oil change mother fucker do you speak it?!

[B16SOLNA]

im with beemer on this one......eye for an eye :twisted:

[KryoNexus]

lol, wow, this topic turned brutal pretty quick :-)

[B16SOLNA]

just as i stated in the dolphin viper thread, you just dont mess with a mans car, thats sacred territory

[playafly187]

http://www.ocia.net/playafly187/tfatf.jpg

[B16SOLNA]

as quite frustrating as it is, there are so many people that take that movie literally, i just wanna start shooting. :evil:

[silenze]

as quite frustrating as it is, there are so many people that take that movie literally, i just wanna start shooting. :evil:

Leaving the local theatre after the first showing... every import tried to do a massive burnout... :roll:

[B16SOLNA]

same here, everybody tried to show off, but a single cam honda with 95 lb-ft of torque at the wheels isnt exactly impressive in a burnout, not to mention the unpainted body kits and triple stack wings that people insist on showing off..........ricers suck.

[silenze]

hahaha, I see Oregon isn't the only state with retarded ricers...

[B16SOLNA]

oh hell no, those fucktards are infecting everypart of the country.

[Beemer]

There are some nice looking ones out there, but there is a thin line between overdone, underdone, and just right. People around here cant seem to grasp that. "Yea buddy no matter how tall your wing is or how many stickers you put on it, it doesnt change the fact that your car, in everyones opinion except yours, [dramatic pause] is a piece of crap."

[KryoNexus]

i just wish people would quit dressing up cavaliers, neons and sunfires (and the latest addition of saturns). just stop it already. if your car is a domestic car, don't make it look/sound like an import!!!

here's a thought: save up that $10,000 that you spent making your 96 cavalier look riced and instead put it toward a NEW car. 10g's will be a nice down payment on a 20-30g car.

[Beemer]

Why are we whispering?

[XPTB]

do THEY can't hear us

[Kattikawn]

i am now stoopider for having read that...............i was at an express oil change shop and the lady in the bay next to me was having her honda passport's oil changed, and as usual, in order to sell more goods, the guys working there told her that her air filter was dirty and asked her if she would like to get a new one while she was there.......there was no dumbass comment, just a look of total confusion......she likely didnt have the brains to even come up with a stupid comment or question, she looked to be that damn stupid......the look on her face was priceless

Y'know, lack of brains isn't always the reason when someone isn't car saavy. *I* didn't know what the hell an air filter was or where it was located until Keith helped me change mine last fall. Christ, get a clue.

[silenze]

I may be speaking from the same perspective as B16SOLNA, but...

Being car savvy has nothing to do with knowing a dirty Filter needs to be replaced with a clean one, that's common sense. That's what filters do, they're used everywhere, and in this case filter the elements that you don't necessarily want getting into the engine. :?

So... it wasn't a matter of whether she knew where it was located, that can be a little different on every car.. just that she couldn't comprehend a dirty Filter needing to be changed. :shock:

[B16SOLNA]

at least someone was able to grasp the concept

[Kattikawn]

I was under the impression that that's exactly the reason most people take their car to an oil change shop, to let those that *do* know what's under the hood take care of that kind maintainance. It may be common sense to anyone who's dug around in there, but to someone else, especially a chick, it may as well be Greek being spoken. It's pretty elitist and condescending to call someone a dumbass over it. :x

[silenze]

Being car savvy has nothing to do with knowing a dirty Filter needs to be replaced with a clean one, that's common sense. That's what filters do, they're used everywhere, and in this case filter the elements that you don't necessarily want getting into the engine. :?

So... it wasn't a matter of whether she knew where it was located, that can be a little different on every car.. just that she couldn't comprehend a dirty Filter needing to be changed. :shock:

[Kattikawn]

::sigh:: I completely understood what you said the first time.

[silenze]

I was trying to phase cars and oil changes out of the picture, and just focus on the simple operation of a filter.

You started on the automotive knowledge kick again, so it didn't sound like you got my point. :)

[B16SOLNA]

exactly............feel free to call me elitist and condescending all you like, but that further proves how much you didnt understand what i said. even those who know what goes on under the hood of a car sometimes take their own car to have the oil changed purely because they either dont want to do it or they ran out of time. but back to a point i have tried to make three times already, the knowledge of the inner workings of a car has nothing to do with what i was saying, instead, i was referring to the ignorance of how an air filter works......and before anyone flies off the handle at that, just remember how many different places an air filter is used in everyday life.

[silenze]

*takes coffee pot and fish tank into the specialist for filter replacement*

[B16SOLNA]

i rest my case

[Kattikawn]

Except for the fact that she probably had no idea a car had a filter in it to begin with. I still don't agree, because a lot of things run through your mind when someone tells you something you have no idea about. As far as she probably knew, she was just there for an oil change, not for replacing filters.

Seriously, you honestly think the chick didn't know what the heck a filter does?

I know you're not going to be able to see it from my point of view, but I know several people who can.

[B16SOLNA]

i do believe that she had no idea what they were talking about.....i was there, and standing about 10 feet away from her and i saw the look of complete confusion on her face............i hope for her sake she can recognize a sales pitch when she sees one.........
i know first hand the feeling of confusion when somebody throws lingo at me that i have never heard before in my life, but the concept of an air filter, whethere it be in a car or elsewhere, should be common knowledge for everyone.

[Kattikawn]

I'm sure they'll start going over the air filter issue in the first semester of kindergarten classes soon enough then.

[B16SOLNA]

for some people it might be necessary to learn such basics that early, but whatever it takes

[Kattikawn]

I'll be sure to forward your suggestion to my brother's and sister's teachers ASAP as it's so critical to their learning experience. Be an outstanding community leader and take your wealth of knowledge to the school board!

[B16SOLNA]

ill be sure and do that.

[Kattikawn]

I eagerly look forward to hearing about Car Filters 101 in the fall.

[B16SOLNA]

be sure and catch the follow up in the spring: water filters 101

[striker777]

There seriously should be some Life classes in school. Especially with some of the parents that are out there.

[jurtje]

common sense 101

[B16SOLNA]

or common knowledge depending on the social class you belong to