Food for thought...

[fstroupe]

I got pissed when I first watched this slideshow from an anti-gov group...but when I thought about it for a few minutes, it made some sense. I'll add my comments after someone watches it.

http://black-tactics.com/penta.swf

[silenze]

whoa...

they raise a good point... where is the 757?

[Beemer]

hmm, interesting, but we all saw what happened to the planes that crashed into the towers - there was nothing left of them. Human remains were cremated on the floors in which the plane hit. I didn't see pieces of the planes at the WTC either. Your dealing with a big explosion and a lot of heat, that could explain the "disappearance" of the plane. We have a relatively light weight (I am saying this because it can fly) plane. There isn't 6 inches of armor plating. As the slideshow says it was traveling over 500 mph. There have been car wrecks at 75 mph that have left cars almost unrecognizable.
As far as it being two Feet off the ground, no missile I know hovers two feet off the ground, and a plane attempting to hit a building in that manner will be two feet off the ground at some point in time. Everyone tries to make a big government conspiracy out of everything. If that is not the plane, then what happened to the plane? Did it just disappear somewhere along the way? Supposing the government did shoot it down, I am sure someone would have saw it. Besides that, it just doesn't make sense that a plane is taken over and heads to Washington, only to get shot down along the way, and a mysterious missile (flying two feet off the ground) takes its place to arrive at the Pentagon in the same time frame.
As for the people that heard something that didn't sound like a passenger jet overhead, how many of us have heard a passenger jet flying a few hundred feet off the ground over our heads? How do we know what that would sound like? No jet blast - the engines may have been throttled back to allow for descent into the pentagon. This also could change the sound of the jet. They also mentioned that the wings didn't shear off, well they didn't shear off and fall to the ground when they hit the WTC either. As for the round holes, no one said that the holes have to be in the shape of an air plane, but that does look pretty close to the size of the fuselage.

I am not saying that it had to be a plane, but to me it more than likely was. I can't see a missile flying into the pentagon from the continental side of the Pentagon. Maybe a smaller plane - but that would not have created an explosion that big nor that sort of devastation to a reinforced concrete building. So it had to pack a punch and be able to fly in at maximum of 40 feet off the ground from the continental US side of the Pentagon. To me that leaves the 757.

Just my two cents - though that might be a nickels worth :wink:

[silenze]

I'm sure there were small pieces of the plane before the buildings collapsed and demolished all the evidence...

http://www.fawkit.org/tmp/wtc_600.jpg

The tiny tiny red dot is the blown up part... interesting pic to check out. ;)

(full = 9,372 x 9,372 @ 1015 dpi, 14mb)

[Beemer]

I would say that those pieces would have flown through the building on initial impact. The reinforced concrete of the Pentagon would have been much less forgiving. Also, most of the "evidence" would have survived the collapse, it was the extreme heat of the burning jet fuel that likely destroyed the evidence in the towers. The same is true for the Pentagon. The extreme heat of burning jet fuel likely destroyed what was left of the plane after impact.

[jurtje]

interesting.

Doesn't really matter anyway, because most likely we'll never find out, except if anybody knows deep throat.

Hey sil, what am I supposed to see in the enlargement?

[silenze]

lol!

Just the clarity of the zoomed in area.. and how HUGE the image is, it's a day or two after the WTC attacks, from a satellite.

[Beemer]

It would be cool to have a picture of where you house is from one of those.

[fstroupe]

As I said, I'm not really into that kind of stuff. But it is pretty interesting.

I assume that big planes have fuel tanks in the wings like small ones. That is my "OJ's leather glove". You would think that when the wings sheered off, it would have created mucho fire on the outside, enough to have incinerated anything outside of the hole.

BUT...say that it WAS a cruise missile...which would be the only practical answer if not the plane...seems to me that the government would have been better served by not covering it up. Claiming it was a modified Silkworm using GPS as a guidance system would truly implicate Iraq (or Iran) with Al Quada, along with wondering where a plane full of hostages was, and only the most hardcore of pacifists would have complained if we literally nuked Iraq in the days following 9-11. Both Iraq and Iran bought Silkworms from China to use against each other in the Iran-Iraq War, and China has recently been working with Iran to upgrade the guidance system in the ones they have.

Which for me pretty much blows that idea out of the water.

There are lots of cruise missiles out there...including the fact that you can build one for less than 50 grand, complete with GPS guidance...damn, that's a scary thought.

[silenze]

It would be cool to have a picture of where you house is from one of those.

Makes you think twice about picking your nose while waiting for that sign across the street to say "Walk" , eh? :P Some governmental type person could be watching you!

[silenze]

http://terraserver.microsoft.com/

This is fun to play with. :)

It's exactly what you're talking about, just a lot of the images are dated.

[undergroundtech]

It would be cool to have a picture of where you house is from one of those.


http://terraserver.microsoft.com/

[undergroundtech]

Opps, I guess I should read the rest of the posts before replying :oops:

[fstroupe]

http://terraserver.microsoft.com/

This is fun to play with. :)

It's exactly what you're talking about, just a lot of the images are dated.

It's cool as hell.

[KryoNexus]

within about 3 minutes, i found the Tri-State airport. The runway was literally less than a mile away from my house. it's located on top of a mountain, and you can go up on top of a couple of the surrounding hills and look right down the runway. pretty cool to watch planes take off and land only a few hundred feet above you.

http://terraserver.microsoft.com/image.aspx?t=1&s=12&x=454&y=5309&z=17&w=1

With that same image, I drew out a few things. The red circle is where my house was. The blue circle is the runway. The green circle is the knoll that we watched planes from when i was a kid, and the turquoise lines are some of the trails that we used when ATV'ing. There was one trail that literally brought you right up beside the runway. Most of the trails were Gas Pipelines and/or Electrical, so it was pretty well cleared off.

http://www.ocia.net/kryonexus/satellite%20view.JPG

[Beemer]

I knew of the terraserver, but its got old stuff in it, low quality b&w. I was really meaning to have something up to date - even real time - now that would be sweet.

[undergroundtech]

Heh, yeah I could think of a few cool things to do with my own private satellite :twisted: