new Vid Card purchase

[TenaciousPD]

I am in the process of contructing my new computer, ive been doing some researching, and the last piece of hardware i need to make a decision on is the vid card. Here are the 2 I have found:

http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=14-123-132&depa=0

http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=14-102-429&depa=0[/url]

[KryoNexus]

go for the x600

[G2]

do you have a AGP slot or a PCI Express x16 slot on your mobo?

[ViperX883]

Yeah, one of 'em is PCI express and the other is AGP... I don't think any boards have both, so check to see which your board has. Also, if I were you I wouldn't bother with either of those cards. You can pick up a used 9800 Pro off eBay or [H]ardOCP for around $150. A 9800 Pro will slaughter both of those cards.

[KryoNexus]

Yeah, one of 'em is PCI express and the other is AGP... I don't think any boards have both, so check to see which your board has. Also, if I were you I wouldn't bother with either of those cards. You can pick up a used 9800 Pro off eBay or [H]ardOCP for around $150. A 9800 Pro will slaughter both of those cards.

true, but the 9800 pro will not support some of the new features in the x600.

[silenze]

If I recall correctly, the X600 makes the 9600xt look stupid...

Edit; http://www.digit-life.com/articles2/gffx/pcie-1.html

Only real difference there is shown in Splinter Cell.

BTW: same price for one that isn't refurbished. ;) http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=14-102-429&depa=0

[siq]

ATi is the devil. Go nvidia geforce 6 series. they eat the ati's alive.

[Caj Darkmoon]

ATi is the devil. Go nvidia geforce 6 series. they eat the ati's alive.

nvidia is the devil. Go ATi 9800 series. they eat the nvidias alive.

[silenze]

I'm sick of the ATI vs. Nvidia debates, all use what you like and keep your opinions to yourself. 8)

[siq]

http://graphics.tomshardware.com/graphic/20041004/vga_charts-04.html#aquamark_3

http://graphics.tomshardware.com/graphic/20041004/vga_charts-04.html#3dmark_2003

respectively i dont' see the 9800's up near the 6800s. Now the x800 that's a close race, but there isn't a snowball's chance that the 9800s will beat those nvidia cards.

[Caj Darkmoon]

Heh, that's pretty much my opinion too... but I'm never one to back down from a one sided un-backed opinion presented as fact. :) :P

[siq]

lol :wink: That's what makes us human

[KryoNexus]

http://graphics.tomshardware.com/graphic/20041004/vga_charts-04.html#aquamark_3

http://graphics.tomshardware.com/graphic/20041004/vga_charts-04.html#3dmark_2003

respectively i dont' see the 9800's up near the 6800s. Now the x800 that's a close race, but there isn't a snowball's chance that the 9800s will beat those nvidia cards.

yeh, but the 9800's aren't even in the same class as the 6800's. the only reason i would choose the nVidia over the ATI is becaue of linux support, but ATI are finally making linux drivers now, so that might all change in the months to come.

frankly, i don't like how the 6800 ultras require 2 PSU rails to power them. also, anybody that has enough money to use the SLI interface should be shot for dumping close to a grand on a video card(s) anyway

[ViperX883]

I was simply saying that based on teh budget he seems to have that a 9800 Pro would offer a better performance/price ratio than either the 9600XT or the x600. So the x600 has a couple new features, but IMHO they really aren't a big deal. Overall, the 9800 Pro will beat both of them.

And no, the 9800 Pro will not compete with the 6800 series, but then it wasn't meant to. it is a generation behind those. Again, I was considering his budget when I recommended the 9800 Pro.

[KryoNexus]

point taken

[Beemer]

I would still go x600 with pci express - that is as long as your board has pci express. It will come in handy later if you want to upgrade your vid card.

[Caj Darkmoon]

I would still go x600 with pci express - that is as long as your board has pci express. It will come in handy later if you want to upgrade your vid card.

Current cards still aren't really taking advantage of PCIE, AGP is still good enough.

[silenze]

I would still go x600 with pci express - that is as long as your board has pci express. It will come in handy later if you want to upgrade your vid card.

Current cards still aren't really taking advantage of PCIE, AGP is still good enough.

Except for in Nvidia's case. ;) (SLI)

[Beemer]

I would still go x600 with pci express - that is as long as your board has pci express. It will come in handy later if you want to upgrade your vid card.

Current cards still aren't really taking advantage of PCIE, AGP is still good enough.

Eventually they will, and there is not upgrade from AGP to PCIE. So I would go with PCIE now, and then you have the option in a year to upgrade your video card to the latest/greatest thing rather than building a whole new computer.

[undergroundtech]

I'm sick of the ATI vs. Nvidia debates, all use what you like and keep your opinions to yourself. 8)

I just like saying ATi, because Silenze is such a big Nvidia fan :lol:

[silenze]

I'm sick of the ATI vs. Nvidia debates, all use what you like and keep your opinions to yourself. 8)

I just like saying ATi, because Silenze is such a big Nvidia fan :lol:

Everyone has a reason why they do everything..... the end.

[TenaciousPD]

I think my decision, after reviewing what all I can do will be the PCI express, its seems like the better choice, i just hope this ati card wont be as bad as the last one when trying to install drivers. I am an nvidia man going ati

[Caj Darkmoon]

I think my decision, after reviewing what all I can do will be the PCI express, its seems like the better choice, i just hope this ati card wont be as bad as the last one when trying to install drivers. I am an nvidia man going ati

Welcome to the team. It's good to have you. Never look back on those horrid days you spent playing for the other team. :)

[ViperX883]

point taken

Errr... maybe I should have paid attention to who I was responding to be fore sounding so harsh. Sorry Kryo.

Anyway, if you are gonna go 600 series, then yes, get the x600 PCI-E.

[silenze]

I think my decision, after reviewing what all I can do will be the PCI express, its seems like the better choice, i just hope this ati card wont be as bad as the last one when trying to install drivers. I am an nvidia man going ati

Welcome to the team. It's good to have you. Never look back on those horrid days you spent playing for the other team. :)

"I'm sick of the ATI vs. Nvidia debates, all use what you like and keep your opinions to yourself."

....

[TenaciousPD]

I wasnt starting a debate, just asking for input, and then I gave my answer. Settle down hoss.

[XPTB]

i guess ATI and Nvidia are about as much of a hot button as Bush and Kerry. :mrgreen:

[siq]

lol... if anyone is guilty of starting a debate here, that would be me.

[KryoNexus]

point taken

Errr... maybe I should have paid attention to who I was responding to be fore sounding so harsh. Sorry Kryo.

Anyway, if you are gonna go 600 series, then yes, get the x600 PCI-E.

no harm. i don't mind being righted, especially if there is fact behind it. :-)

[Beemer]

Everyone has a reason why they do everything..... the end.

Good story tell it again!!! :P Nah, Nvidia vs ATI is the debate that never ends. I am just glad that their is healthy competition to drive the market foward.

[silenze]

I wasnt starting a debate, just asking for input, and then I gave my answer. Settle down hoss.

Me settle down?

Welcome to the team. It's good to have you. Never look back on those horrid days you spent playing for the other team. :)

I wasn't talking to you, TenaciousPD.

[silenze]

Everyone has a reason why they do everything..... the end.

Good story tell it again!!! :P Nah, Nvidia vs ATI is the debate that never ends. I am just glad that their is healthy competition to drive the market foward.

Exactly.... so everyone should use what they like and not voice their negative opinions about other.. because it starts a pointless debate, which ends coming to, well, you use what you like, and I'll use what I like, since both work for us, and we'll call it good.

So... what's the point.

[KryoNexus]

excuse silenze, he's on the rag this week. Most people will notice he looks like this: [smilie=new_cussing.gif]

let's just hope he doesn't see any of these: [smilie=XXspermy.gif]

[silenze]

excuse silenze, he's on the rag this week. Most people will notice he looks like this: [smilie=new_cussing.gif]

let's just hope he doesn't see any of these: [smilie=XXspermy.gif]

If sick of pointless bickering = on the rag, then yes. (pointless bickering that solves nothing and gets people annoyed with each other and frustrated, heh... )

[Caj Darkmoon]

excuse silenze, he's on the rag this week. Most people will notice he looks like this: [smilie=new_cussing.gif]

let's just hope he doesn't see any of these: [smilie=XXspermy.gif]

If sick of pointless bickering = on the rag, then yes. (pointless bickering that solves nothing and gets people annoyed with each other and frustrated, heh... )

:)

I think your the one who's annoyed and frustrated. :P

Hehe, don't hate me, just trying to lighten things up... again...

[silenze]

Now who's reading too deep into who's words? ;)

[Caj Darkmoon]

Hmm... yes, it is possible.

I'm still confused by your 'I wasn't talking to you...' comment earlier.

[silenze]

I meant I wasn't talking to TenaciousPD with my post quoting you with my 'lets not start a pointless argument' quote...

Welp, got the new workstation all setup... time to go home. :twisted:

[Caj Darkmoon]

I meant I wasn't talking to TenaciousPD with my post quoting you with my 'lets not start a pointless argument' quote...

Welp, got the new workstation all setup... time to go home. :twisted:

Meh... still confused, too much quoting :). Heh, have fun at home.

[silenze]

lol sorry

*hops in the eclipse and hits the gas*

[siq]

Did someone say junk food?

[Caj Darkmoon]

Did someone say junk food?

Yeah, its over there in a can with four letters on it. I'm adding to the stack right now.

[ViperX883]

Emmm.... I still say 9800 Pro ;)

[sRiVaSg]

Yeah, 9800PRO it's a good value :wink:.

[Caj Darkmoon]

Meh... what I hate is watching cards like the 9800 AIOW go for the same price I payed for my 9500 Pro a few years back. :(

[sRiVaSg]

Meh... what I hate is watching cards like the 9800 AIOW go for the same price I payed for my 9500 Pro a few years back. :(

Yeah, i understand ya...